tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11122973.post113177579826473504..comments2024-02-08T05:04:18.484-08:00Comments on J'S THEATER: Quote: Jorge Luis BorgesJohn Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08073378940347627766noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11122973.post-1132201571376655052005-11-16T20:26:00.000-08:002005-11-16T20:26:00.000-08:00Bill, no problem. I'm familiar with Augustine, th...Bill, no problem. I'm familiar with Augustine, though he didn't have the same effect on me, I guess because, having been through the Catholic ringer, I saw through what I took to be a "strategy," and a very effective one, of persuasive narrative and reasoning that drew many (thousands?) into the fold. (As that priest was so skillfully doing....) Borges' aim was to mirror logic, though as he often does in his work, he tries to play on it--he often enlists the absurd in his cause, as if to say ultimately that language can achieve artifice that is akin to God's (or the gods') power(s), and so while we must be aware of this, at the same time, we also should be willing to utilize it to the fullest. He also presses the extremes of logic and myth, as in "Funes the Memorious," or "The Library of Babel," etc. One of my favorites, despite his politics. I hear what you're saying about <I>Snow</I>, though since I haven't read it I can't really comment, but it's a thread that runs through works by others, both in the West and outside it (Mahfouz comes to mind, for example).John Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08073378940347627766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11122973.post-1132011287306001072005-11-14T15:34:00.000-08:002005-11-14T15:34:00.000-08:00j,One of the buried themes in Snow, as I've no dou...j,<BR/><BR/>One of the buried themes in <I>Snow</I>, as I've no doubt mentioned before, is the nagging problem of God in the art of the West. (The paradox is especially acute in Turkey and, indeed, in Islamic world, since modernity is almost in direct opposition with the society: to create, in an individual way, is to betray submission to God's way.) Artists, being artists, will defy convention, at least initially. What is most interesting is the void that is felt when God is denied, and Ka [the main protagonist], is a vehicle for this theme: he, like many an Istanbuli of a certain age and station, is having difficulty reconciling the disparate parts of his identity. Once he visits a Sufi sheikh, he seemingly becomes unstuck, able to write poetry where he was unable to prior to the meeting. (Pamuk has long been interested in sufi thought, a doctrine that stresses a direct relationship with God, dispensing with the clerical body that was nowhere present in Muhammad's time.)<BR/><BR/>Switching tracks, I've long been fascinated by Borges's precise logic, here resembling a mathematical proof. Although some suppose the two to be incompatible, nothing could be further from the truth: I am an unbeliever, after a fashion, like all conventional "artists" (and I am using that term <I>quite</I> losely). But, not long ago, I was in St. Casimir's, a beautiful cathedral in east Baltimore that catered/s to the Polish community that settled in its environs, when the priest began discussing Augustine (the Catholics are marvelous in their wonkiness, to be sure). The father mused on the saint's checkered past (a bit of a mischaracterization, but we'll let it stand), with an emphasis on his philosophical dalliances, the very portrait of a Young Turk. Talk then turned to Augustine's personal trials and difficulties with faith. <BR/><BR/>Man, it was if guy was speking directly to me, if you get my drift. I'm a mathematician, and I saw that my problem with faith, a very difficult one, to be on the same continuum as Augustine's--I mean, if a saint can be struggling, surely so can I. (The writings are startingly modern; his <I>Confessions</I> are truly the first writings that probe the self, employing psychology a full millenium before Charcot and Freud.) Egad.<BR/><BR/>Pardon the free associating,<BR/>billbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15201227059002249777noreply@blogger.com